Grey Ladies and Gymnastics: On Ageism at Writing Conferences
January 16, 2023 § 76 Comments
By Julie Ushio
In November, I hopped on a plane and took the forty-minute flight from Honolulu to Lihue to attend the Kauai Writers Conference. It was my third time at the conference and I looked forward to a week of Master Classes and the Conference.
As usual, women of a certain age filled the chairs. Not all had grey hair, but it was easy to see that demographics were heavily female and well over the age of fifty. I was not surprised. After all, this was Kauai and the cost of a plane ticket and the luxury hotel rooms (though heavily discounted for the conference), excluded those who could not afford the trip.
Of the fourteen people in my afternoon workshop, there was a man in his seventies and two women who might have been under forty, but most of were female and sixty plus. One afternoon, Dee, a white-haired firecracker of seventy, told me about her recent pitch to an agent.
“I asked him,” Dee said, “about ageism in writing.”
Dee said the agent had responded, “Well, it’s not as bad as gymnastics.”
Her comment took me back to a column I read years ago in a leading writing magazine. A well-known male author said he felt ambivalent about encouraging older women writers he met at writing conferences. He didn’t state why, but much was implied. Was it their shortened time horizon? The diminished possibility of finding an agent or selling their book when the publishing world embraces new voices under 30? What I do remember clearly, is that the writer did not say “older writers” but “older WOMEN writers.”
Over the past thirty years, I have been to conferences and retreats across the mainland and Hawaii. I often go alone and the night before the conference begins, I am filled with anxiety and doubt. What am I doing here? Why spend all this money, this time, away from work, from family, chasing this futile dream of writing a book. The next morning, I walk in and find a chair and sit down. I turn to the person sitting next to me and introduce myself and tell them where I am from. Then I ask them what they are writing.
And the door opens.
It could be memoir, mystery, romance, or poetry, but when they start to talk, I feel an instant connection. When they talk about their writing, I know it is something they hold close to their heart. They ask what I am writing, and in a few moments, we have peeled away our veneers. Over the next several days when we pass, I often do not remember their names, but I do not forget their stories. A wispy blonde, writing about the baby she lost while living in Samoa with her husband’s family. A veterinarian volunteering in Africa, who finds herself operating on the chief’s son, the chief wondering why a doctor tries to save cats. Memoirs of adoptees, of abandonment, divorce, and illness. Survivors all.
In sharing our writing, we connect with others, on a deep, intimate level. So rare in today’s world of short tweets and social media connections.
I have noticed over years of attending conferences here in Hawaii that many writers and agents return, year after year. I see their connections. An agent who reps a featured speaker, as well as the top editor at the publishing house that publishes the writer. Writer friends who speak on the same panel or give the same workshop, year after year. They blurb each other’s books, appear in acknowledgments.
We newbie wannabe writers are not the only ones making connections at conferences.
And I think, for those agents, editors, and authors, flying in and spending some time on Kauai or Maui in the middle of winter, is a welcome respite from the grey cold of the East Coast. I don’t begrudge them the sun and ocean, of mingling with their industry peers but wish they cut back on the sarcasm and show a little more “Aloha Spirit.” Maybe the agent talking to Dee thought he was being witty, but at whose expense? Dee paid money to talk to him. For fifteen minutes.
Our conference fees and Master Class expenses paid for his hotel room.
We Grey Ladies buy the books of the writers he represents. But we are buying less.
A January 10, 2022 Gallup poll states that, “Americans Reading Fewer Books Than in the Past.” “Reading appears to be in decline as a favorite way for American to spend their free time…The changes are especially pronounced among the most voracious book readers, namely, college graduates, women and older Americans.” It might be we Grey Ladies are buying less, because we are writing our own books.
Four years ago, at a workshop at the Kachemak Bay Writers Conference in Homer, Alaska, we participants shared what we were writing and why we wrote. One of the last to speak was a white-haired woman who owned a remote lodge across the bay.
Tough and independent, she simply said, “I write to give me a reason to go on living.”
We Grey Ladies have been around for a long time. Throughout our lives, we have planted flowers interlaced in our vegetable gardens, cooked a favorite family recipe, pieced together a quilt. Writing, like other creative pursuits, is a part of our lives. Some of us may or may not have a goal of publishing a book. Writing itself is the journey. Because within creativity is timelessness.
So, to the agent who talked to my friend Dee. Yes, we Grey Ladies do not do gymnastics. You do not have to give us false encouragement about our publishing prospects. Just sit and listen to what we have to say, then send us gently on our way.
And we will continue to write.
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Julie Ushio has been published in Bamboo Ridge Journal, permafrost, and Noyo River Review. She is currently querying a novel based on her Japanese grandmother’s life in Nebraska. The first chapter of the novel won first prize at the 2019 Mendocino Coast Writers Conference. She is also writing a series of essays about growing up Japanese in the Midwest. Follow her on Twitter @JulieUshio, and Instagram @julieushio.
Oh this is marvelous! Spot on. Zings right to my 66-year-old heart.
Thank you! We grey ladies have to stick together
Love this… pubbed at 78, No Expiration on Dreams
Thanks Trish. You give me hope and yes, no expiration on dreams
Splendid piece to start the week. YES to this: “within creativity is timelessness” but a big fat 60+ NO to that condescending male agent.
Thanks for your post Amanda!
Really struck by this, Julie. Brava!
Thank you Barbara!
thank you! beautfully written and with emphasis where it belongs: writing is a deep, enriching experience. i don’t care if you’re 4 years old — my grandson — or 74, me: the magic never gets old.
So true, Susan, the magic never gets old!
No one can tell us what we can’t do. I published at book at 76. Writing nourishes me. Thank you for this well-written post.
Marianna, congratulations on publishing at 76! I agree that writing nourishes and renews me too. Thank you.
As a gray-haired lady, your essay made me smile. Sometimes I wonder about ageism. I know other gray-haired writers who write amazing essays and stories. I like to remember the stories about people who hit their strides as the aged.
Agreed, I am always encouraged my stories of people who continue to reach and grow, no matter their age.
Spot on – and so important to notice and draw attention to this. Caroline Criado-Perez (author of Invisible Women) would be proud of you. And I am grateful to know it’s not just me thinking this. And big thanks for the encouraging comments!
Thanks Jackie, we may be Invisible to some, but not to all. We need to band together!
Julie, Thank you for this inspiring piece.
Thank you for posting Victorea!
Julie, thank you for expressing what many of us struggle with. We have lived full, dramatic lives and now we have time to write about what life teaches us. I will add that it does not get easier to shed ambitions as I get older. In fact the opposite.
I agree. Now that I have more time to reflect and think and focus, I feel I have more to share. Nothing wrong with ambition, we all need goals!
Thank you for this. Many days, I wonder why I keep at it. You remind me I still have a place in this writing world, even though I am 68.
Marie, I agree and question why keep writing. But the urge just does not go away.
I really love this.
Thanks Tracy
Gray, female, and 70, I too write to share, to give voice, to discover what I think and what matters, and to consider what being human means. But alas, I am gray, female, 70, and often invisible.
Often invisible to others on the street or in the store, but not when you write and someone reads your work!
Beautiful piece. Thanks for reminding us why we write. At 81, I needed a pep talk.
Sometimes I need one too, so thank you for your post. We need to encourage one another!
This essay made me think of a book that I intended to review for Brevity but did not, which led me to produce a piece on a book I would not review for Brevity. It was by a man, former professor, and dismissive of non-traditional female students. As you say, “older women” are not just producers of books, but also the buyers of books. There is an odd gatekeeping in the industry of knowledge production and book publishing. Thanks for a thoughtful reflection that made me think about this issue in new ways.
Thank you for posting your comment Stacy. There are so many facets to this topic and especially about gatekeeping but lets hope that the doors are opening a bit, as more women and minorities are getting published (and so many agents are female too.) Now we have to work on the ageism part…!
This was beautifully written and so true. Thank your for the inspiring personal reflection and nudge to keep going. And, I would read more from you – Wishing you publishing success!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Lovely
Thanks Antonia
Wow, thank you for opening my eyes to this. I’ve never been to a conference and don’t know much about the politics of publishing. Older writers surely have greater wisdom than those under 30. (I knew nothing at that age). Reading this made me wonder if older women writers are the most underrepresented group in publishing.
I think so. Thanks for posting this Stacey!
A wonderful piece to start with on a Monday. I’ve struggled with my own battle on aging and sometimes feel my essence is fading away. As the years go by, I appreciate this enriching life I’ve had and will write for the chance of connecting with even just one reader. And yes, we are the ones who still love to hold a book and read fascinating stories of other lives lived. Thank you for writing and sharing.
Thank you for posting Maddie. How wonderful for you that you are at the point where you can look back and appreciate an enriching life. Keep writing, to lock in and remember that essence before it fades! There WILL be readers who will appreciate your words.
Amen, Sister. You laid it out fairly and squarely.
So glad it resonated with you!
Thanks for addressing this issue. We older writers have perspectives others dont but then the reverse is true as well.
I agree and am amazed at the talent that young writers have! I also enjoy reading books and writers from my early days. I grew up in Nebraska, so love Willa Cather.
Great piece, Julie. This lady who is grey under her dye job loved every word.
Yes, I gave up the grey a few years ago too. Thanks Vicki!
“…within creativity is timelessness”. Love this so much! Wonderful essay, Julie and I can certainly relate!
Thanks Virginia. Yes, when I am writing, I am ageless!
Thanks for this, Julie. Most of us have had a life-long (long life) of being diminished, dismissed, just plain dissed. But we haven’t stopped and we won’t. What we have to say is important. All our stories are important.
So true. Thanks Judy!
We started a publishing company for women 50+ because of this very prejudice. Outraged at this casual dismissal! I am on fire with rage. Thank you for sharing this.
how is that publishing company going? I wish you had named it so I could look at the writers.
Click on my name for email. Or try this: http://www.sibyllinepress.com
Thank you Julia for posting. And so glad that you are part of the solution!
I’m intrigued by your website, Julia, and will be diving deeper into it!
>>Writing, like other creative pursuits, is a part of our lives. …. writing itself is the journey. Because within creativity is timelessness.<< The reason I write. It's for me, not others, but should others enjoy what I write, more joy!
Agreed. So wonderful to connect with someone who likes what you have written. Thanks for posting!
Brava! I write to write, having figured out in the 90s (trying to publish) how it works. I also make art to make art, 2008’s depression having killed my art business. I love both pursuits. I expect nothing from the publishing world or the art world. Having no proper connections, it’s a wonder I ever expected anything. But that’s a business model: spend your money in the hopes of it meaning you will make it. Awesome, true article.
Thank you for posting…”I write to write, make art to make art”…expecting nothing. Creating, make something out of nothing, obviously brings its own satisfaction and joys!
At 76 I’ve just begun putting my memoir together, and no amount of testosterone or lack of estrogen will stop me. Write on!
Yes, Write on and do not stop! Thanks for sharing Charlotte.
This story made me angry. I have attended many workshops and have heard the men make such remarks. After pitching what I thought, and still believe, a solid story idea, the agent said, “This sounds like something you could write for your friends because no one else would be interested in it.” He then told me he liked my earrings and that he was thinking about learning silversmithing. I hope he did and left agenting behind. I didn’t tell him that my earrings were plastic.
Darlene, I’m sorry for your experience, but obviously, the man had no sensitivity or ability to discern. I hope you are continuing to write and share.
Lovely piece. I identified so much with this. I recently caught up with some old friends who talked at length about their busy lives. They both work in the film industry and are very focused on their careers. They know I retired a couple of years ago, but not once did they ask what I do now. I guess they thought I couldn’t possibly be doing anything important, but my writing matters to me more than I can say. More than my job ever did.
Margaret, I was just reflecting back on my “old” career and my new writing life and agree with you completely. It’s the reality that old acquaintances and work friends have little understanding or interest in my writing. It’s only out here, casting my words out into social media and online (which I am not adept at) that I find some community! Thanks so much for commenting.
I heard an author say recently that when she goes on family holidays no-one wants to talk about books and writing. Just as well we have one another and can talk about writing until the cows come home.
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Thank you for saying what I have sensed about agents and publishers. The ageism angers me. However, I write for the pleasure of writing and that is very satisfying. That plus the occasional journal publication keeps me going.
Ellen, thank you for your comment. I agree on writing for the pleasure of writing and making occasional connections through publishing and conversations like this.
I have never think about ageism because I don’t feel old but you are right, it is out there. I think I may have encountered it with my last job application…
I have recently finished a book which I haven’t tried to pitch to a publisher as yet, so I guess I will encounter ageism sooner or later when I step out of my hallowed study and let myself be seen. How ridiculous to have fight yet another battle when there is so much within us that we can contribute.
Thank you for your insightful piece.
Bravo to you on finishing your book! I agree with you on being ageless in one’s hallowed study and lets hope that our contributions will be recognized. These days, everything seems to be a battle so its a good one.
Yes. You nailed it. You want our business but you’re not interested in our stories? Thank you, Julie!
Thanks Lani. Love your blog!
Awww, thanks!
Wow so many comments, I’m not super good at it, I’ll just write – Thank you a million for that post!
Emma, yes – the topic of ageism and women writing struck a chord. Thanks for posting and sharing.
Just read this Julie – I love it. I’m writing an article on “older” women memoirists – And I turn 65 on May 1 and my memoir comes out May 2. I feel all sorts of feelings, but I really appreciate reading this. The man in his 70s you reference is I bet my husband’s cousin. He and his wife live on Oahu and go to the conference. We lived on Oahu for a year before the Pandemic. I’ve always wanted to go to the Hawaii conference, but now that I’m back on the east coast – it’s a little harder to do. Good luck with your conferences and your writing.
Morgan, congratulations on your memoir coming out! The man in his 70’s lives on the mainland. Hopefully you will make it back to Kauai for the conference in the future!